The foolishness of Churchianity praying for revival

mikehill4jesus “The foolishness of Churchianity praying for revival”

John 14:23 Jesus replied, ‘Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.’

Churchianity deliberately ignores this teaching!
They allow people into leadership positions who have not received the Holy Spirit of God. That is why we get haters of the Lord Jesus, John 14:24, becoming leaders in Churches and other Organisations that claim to be Christian.

Jesus Christ, the Lord, clearly describes a true Christians calling
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

The problem for members of Churchianity, the Christless Christians, is that they have not been spiritually baptized. Only those describes in John 14:23 have been.

True Revival comes through members of Christ’s Spiritual Body (John 14:23), not through Churchianity Leaders who do not have spiritual power (John 14:24).

If you want to see a Spiritual Revival then beware of shunning the Lords’ Messengers. On the 1st March 1996, I was led by the Lord to give a message to a leader of the Birmingham revival team at a meeting held in a city-centre church in Birmingham. Birmingham Christian Centre, Birmingham, West Midlands B1 3QQ.

Revival may not be Beautiful!

On the 1st March 1996, I was led by the Lord to give a message to a leader of the Birmingham revival team at a meeting held in a city-centre church in Birmingham.  I heard about the meeting when a notice was delivered to a prayer meeting I was at in Balsall Heath.

On the morning of the Prayer Meeting, the Holy Spirit awoke me at 4.00 am and I fell into prayer for the Leaders until 8.00 am.  It was obvious to me that Jesus was going to do something important for the Team.

We were invited to gather in the middle of the ring of leaders in order to pray for them.  Four of us prayed for a man who was co-leading the meeting.  The Holy Spirit stirred us with vigour, and with strong praying, he was given three pictures:

The first was of a sun that was getting brighter. The second was of a valley with bones in it [of which he was given a copy in writing]. The third was of a desert with a flower that was beautiful, and water that was able to give life. The Lord described how they were looking for beauty instead of the water!

That God revealed Himself to us in the person of His dear Son, Jesus Christ, there is no doubt.  The messages were clear.  Get right with Jesus – be right with each other – confront those who do not want to – get out into the community of Birmingham where the Holy Spirit of Jesus is, and has been for quite a number of years.

After the meeting everyone went into the coffee shop, it was packed with people and the only table with empty chairs was mine. Nobody wanted to sit with me. After a while some asked if the seats were saved. They did look puzzled.

Not one member at that meeting has ever communicated with me – 21 years of silence and still no revival in Birmingham, England.

This video was published on Aug 27, 2009
(A very early video, hence the poor cam quality)
It’s important that you listen to His Disciples when He uses them.

Articles in THE INDEPENDENT of NEW YORK

IS IT A HARD SAYING?

BY PRESIDENT C.G. FINNEY

THE INDEPENDENT.

NEW YORK, SEPTEMBER 5, 1872

ME: This teaching was given during and after Spiritual Revivals. Therefore it is written as if Christians were in error. The times we live in are very different. There has not been a Christian Revival for a long time. Also, there is a view that some Revivals were simply an awakening of existing religious beliefs modified by certain Church Leaders. Thus they faded out. Finney once said that every Revival in the Christian Church was shorter than the one before.

My view is that a true Christian revival consists of lost souls moving from john 14:24 to john 14:23 – a revival that is a true work of the holy spirit of god as lost souls repent of their sins, make restitution, where possible, to victims of that sin, and has the revived dying to self and submitting to the holy spirits will for their life in Christ. Not just a revived Churchianity and Biblianity, but a mobilising of the spiritual body of Christ operating under the leadership of the Lord Jesus Christ himself. The true church pleasing god! Something that the sinful church led by impenitent sinners cannot do!

FINNEY: In a former article I said that the want of an Enduement of power from on high should be deemed a disqualification for a pastor, a deacon or elder, a Sabbath school superintendent, a professor in a Christian college, and especially for a professor in a theological seminary. Is this a hard saying? Is this an uncharitable saying? Is it unjust? Is it unreasonable? Is it unscriptural?

Suppose any one of the Apostles, or those present on the day of Pentecost, had failed, through apathy, selfishness, unbelief, indolence, or ignorance, to obtain this Enduement of power, would it have been uncharitable, unjust, unreasonable, or unscriptural, to have accounted him disqualified for the work which Christ had appointed them?

Christ had expressly informed them that without this Enduement they could do nothing. He had expressly enjoined it upon them not to attempt it in their own strength, but to tarry at Jerusalem until they received the necessary power from on high. He had also expressly promised that if they tarried, in the sense which He intended, they should receive it “not many days hence.” They evidently understood Him to enjoin upon them to tarry in the sense of a constant waiting upon Him in prayer and supplication for the blessing. Now, suppose that any one of them had stayed away and attended to his own business, and waited for the sovereignty of God to confer this power. He of course would have been disqualified for the work; and if his fellow-Christians, who had obtained this power, had deemed him so, would it have been uncharitable, unreasonable, unscriptural?

Me: No, it would not and is not!

FINNEY: And is it not true of all to whom the command to disciple the world is given, and to whom the promise of this power is made, if through any shortcoming or fault of theirs they fail to obtain this gift, that they are in fact disqualified for the work, and especially for any official station? Are they not, in fact, disqualified for leadership in the sacramental host? Are they qualified for teachers of those who are to do the work? If it is a fact that they do lack this power, however this defect is to be accounted for, it is also a fact that they are not qualified for teachers of God’s people; and if they are seen to be disqualified because they lack this power, it must be reasonable and right and Scriptural so to deem them, and so to speak of them, and so to treat them. Who has a right to complain?

Me: None! Of course God disqualifies them from being a member of Christ’s spiritual body here on earth!

FINNEY: Surely, they have not. Shall the Church of God be burdened with teachers and leaders who lack this fundamental qualification, when their failing to possess it must be their own fault? The manifest apathy, indolence, ignorance, and unbelief that exist upon this subject are truly amazing. They are inexcusable. They must be highly criminal. With such a command to convert the world ringing in our ears; with such an injunction to wait in constant, wrestling prayer till we receive the power; with such a promise, made by such a Saviour, held out to us of all the help we need from Christ Himself, what excuse can we offer for being powerless in this great work? What an awful responsibility rests upon us, upon the whole Church, upon every Christian!

One might ask, How is apathy, how is indolence, how is the common fatal neglect possible, under such circumstances? If any of the primitive Christians to whom this commandment was given had failed to receive this power, should we not think them greatly to blame? If such default had been sin in them, how much more in us with all the light of history and of fact blazing upon us, which they had not received? Some ministers and many Christians treat this matter as if it were to be left to the sovereignty of God, without any persistent effort to obtain this Enduement. Did the primitive Christians so understand and treat it? No, indeed. They gave themselves no rest till this baptism of power came upon them.

Me: There are no excuses for such behaviour towards God!

FINNEY: I once heard a minister preaching upon the subject of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. He treated it as a reality; and when he came to the question of how it was to be obtained, he said truly that it was to be obtained as the Apostles obtained it on the day of Pentecost. I was much gratified, and listened eagerly to hear him press the obligation on his hearers to give themselves no rest till they had obtained it. But in this I was disappointed: for before he sat down he seemed to relieve the audience from the feeling of obligation to obtain the baptism, and left the impression that the matter was to be left to the discretion of God, and said what appeared to imply a censure of those that vehemently and persistently urged upon God the fulfilment of the promise. Neither did he hold out to them the certainty of their obtaining the blessing if they fulfilled the conditions. The sermon was in most respects a good one; but I think the audience left without any feeling of encouragement or sense of obligation to seek earnestly the baptism. This is a common fault of the sermons that I hear. There is much that is instructive in them; but they fail to leave either a sense of obligation or a feeling of great encouragement, as to the use of means, upon the congregation. They are greatly defective in their winding up. They neither leave the conscience under a pressure nor the whole mind under the stimulus of hope. The doctrine is often good, but the “what then?” is often left out.

Me: Ministers in Churchianity who are stubbornly refusing to challenge lost souls to be reconciled with God!

FINNEY: Many ministers and professors of religion seem to be theorizing, criticizing, and endeavouring to justify their neglect of this attainment. So did not the Apostles and other Christians. It was not a question which they endeavoured to grasp with their intellects before they embraced it with their hearts. It was with them, as it should be with us, a question of faith in a promise. I find many persons endeavouring to grasp with their intellect and settle as a theory questions of pure experience. They are puzzling themselves with endeavours to apprehend with the intellect that which is to be received as a conscious experience through faith.

Me: Members of Churchianity who are all bible knowledge unsupported by their own Christian experience!

FINNEY: There is need of a great reformation in the Church on this particular point. The Churches should wake up to the facts in the case, and take a new position, a firm stand in regard to the qualifications of ministers and Church officers. They should refuse to settle a man as pastor of whose qualifications for the office in this respect they are not well satisfied. Whatever else he may have to recommend him, if his record does not show that he has this Enduement of power to win souls to Christ, they should deem him unqualified. It used to be the custom of Churches, and I believe in some places is so still, in presenting a call to the pastorate, to certify that, having witnessed the spiritual fruits of his labours, they deem him qualified and called of God to the work of the ministry. Churches should be well satisfied in some way that they call a fruitful minister, and not a dry stalk that is, a mere intellect, a mere head with little heart; an elegant writer, but with no unction; a great logician, but of little faith; a fervid imagination, it may be, with no Holy Ghost power.

Me: Is the Holy Spirit of God asleep? Are there no Christians challenging these dry stalks? Are they being shunned?

FINNEY: The Churches should hold the theological seminaries to a strict account in this matter; and until they do, I fear the theological seminaries will never wake up to their responsibility. Some years since, one branch of the Scotch Church was so tried with the want of unction and power in the ministers furnished them by their theological seminary that they passed a resolution that until the seminary reformed in this respect they would not employ ministers that were educated there. This was a necessary, a just, a timely rebuke, which I believe had a very salutary effect. A theological seminary ought by all means to be a school not merely for the teaching of doctrine, but also, and even more especially, for the development of Christian experience. To be sure the intellect should be well furnished in those schools; but it is immeasurably more important that the pupils should be led to a thorough personal knowledge of Christ, and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, and to be made conformable to His death. A theological seminary that aims mainly at the culture of the intellect, and sends out learned men who lack this Enduement of power from on high, is a snare and a stumbling-block to the Church. The seminaries should recommend no one to the Churches, however great his intellectual attainments, unless he has this most essential of all attainments, the Enduement of power from on high. The seminaries should be held as incompetent to educate men for the ministry if it is seen that they send out men as ministers who have not this most essential qualification. The Churches should inform themselves, and look to those seminaries which furnish not merely the best educated, but the most unctuous and spiritually powerful ministers.

Me: I have communicated with many Bible Colleges and received no reply from any! Nor from any Churches!

FINNEY: It is amazing that, while it is generally admitted that the Enduement of power from on high is a reality, and essential to ministerial success, practically it should be treated by the Churches and by the schools as of comparatively little importance. In theory it is admitted to be everything; but in practice treated as if it were nothing. From the Apostles to the present day it has been seen that men of very little human culture, but endued with this power, have been highly successful in winning souls to Christ; whilst men of the greatest learning, with all that the schools have done for them, have been powerless so far as the proper work of the ministry is concerned. And yet we go on laying ten times more stress on human culture than we do on the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Practically human culture is treated as infinitely more important than the Enduement of power from on high.

The seminaries are furnished with learned men, but often not with men of spiritual power; hence, they do not insist upon this Enduement of power as indispensable to the work of the ministry. Students are pressed almost beyond endurance with study and the culture of the intellect, while scarcely an hour in a day is given to instruction in Christian experience. Indeed, I do not know that so much as one course of lectures on Christian experience is given in the theological seminaries. But religion is an experience. It is a consciousness. Personal intercourse with God is the secret of the whole of it. There is a world of most essential learning in this direction wholly neglected by the theological seminaries. With them doctrine, philosophy, theology, Church history, sermonizing are everything, and real heart-union with God nothing. Spiritual power to prevail with God and to prevail with man has but little place in their teaching.

Me: I have sent my testimony, 69 years of Christian experience, out around the world with almost no visible response!

FINNEY: I have often been surprised at the judgment men form in regard to the prospective usefulness of young men preparing for the ministry. Even professors are very apt, I see, to deceive themselves on this subject. If a young man is a good scholar, a fine writer, makes good progress in exegesis, and stands high in intellectual culture, they have strong hopes of him, even though they must know in many such cases that these young men cannot pray; that they have no unction, no power in prayer, no spirit of wrestling, of agonizing, and prevailing with God. Yet they are expecting them, because of their culture, to make their mark in the ministry, to be highly useful. For my part, I expect no such thing of this class of men. I have infinitely more hope of the usefulness of a man who, at any cost, will keep up daily intercourse with God; who is yearning for and struggling after the highest possible spiritual attainment; who will not live without daily prevalence in prayer and being clothed with power from on high. Churches, presbyteries, associations, and whoever license young men for the ministry, are often very faulty in this respect. They will spend hours in informing themselves of the intellectual culture of the candidates, but scarcely as many minutes in ascertaining their heart culture, and what they know of the power of Christ to save from sin, what they know of the power of prayer, and whether and to what extent they are endued with power from on high to win souls to Christ. The whole proceeding on such occasions cannot but leave the impression that human learning is preferred to spiritual unction. Oh! that it were different, and that we were all agreed, practically, now and for ever, to hold fast to the promise of Christ, and never think ourselves or anybody else to be fit for the great work of the Church till we have received a rich Enduement of power from on high.

Me: It is a great challenge for these ministers to face the reality of their powerless ministry!

FINNEY: I beg of my brethren, and especially my younger brethren, not to conceive of these articles as written in the spirit of reproach. I beg the Churches, I beg the seminaries, to receive a word of exhortation from an old man, who has had some experience in these things, and one whose heart mourns and is weighed down in view of the shortcomings of the Church, the ministers, and the seminaries on this subject. Brethren, I beseech you to more thoroughly consider this matter, to wake up and lay it to heart, and rest not till this subject of the Enduement of power from on high is brought forward into its proper place, and takes that prominent and practical position in view of the whole Church that Christ designed it should.

Me: This is a touching conclusion from Finney. Those of us, who have the “spiritual power”, are commanded to help them that don’t!

Jesus told his disciples before he was killed.
John 15:4 ‘Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 ‘I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.’

Unless you are as Jesus described in John 14:23, you will be thrown into the fire and burned!

TIME TO GET HELP!

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Here are the other chapters on my website of Power from on High by Charles Finney

Introduction. Why is there no power?
Chapter 1. Power from on high
Chapter 2. What is it?
Chapter 3. The Enduement of the Spirit
Chapter 4. Enduement of Power from on High
Chapter 5. Is it a hard saying?
Chapter 6. Prevailing prayer
Chapter 7. How to win souls
Chapter 8. Preacher, save yourself
Chapter 9. Innocent amusements
Chapter 10. How to overcome sin
Chapter 11. The decay of conscience
Chapter 12. The psychology of faith
Chapter 13. Psychology of righteousness

John Chapter 14

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What the Holy Bible teaches on this union with Christ Jesus the Lord

What is this place Hell?

What is this place Heaven?

What is REGENERATED?

What does the Bible say about COMMANDS?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ

Jesus promises the Holy Spirit

The Doctrine of Sanctification

What does the Bible say about PROMISES?

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I have been a disciple of my Lord Jesus since the 1970's. Through my website I teach about Union with Christ as described in John 14:23.

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